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AN INTERVIEW WITH RAVEN GRIMASSI &
STEPHANIE TAYLOR by Suzanna Clark
There is currently a buzz on many tarot boards about a
new oracle deck called The Well Worn Path. I tracked down the
creators, Raven Grimassi and Stephanie Taylor, and had the pleasure of
interviewing them.
Raven Grimassi is the author of over 11 books on
Witchcraft and Paganism. Stephanie Taylor is a Witch elder and the
proprietor of an online metaphysical store, Raven’s Loft. Along with
co-writing and co-creating this deck Stephanie and Raven are founders of a
mystery school called The College of the
Crossroads located in the states.
CLARK: I appreciate you taking the time to
speak to me about your new deck. You two have created a divination
deck for Pagans, Witches, and Wiccans. Tell me what makes this deck
unique?
R&S: We feel it’s the first of
its kind to focus entirely on Pagan concepts and imagery as opposed to
borrowed or modified symbolism. Most decks are based upon the
Tarot, which is essentially a mystical Hebrew system mixed with Western
ceremonial magical concepts.
What we find is that from time to time
someone will make a “witchy” Tarot deck or one with a Pagan flavor. But
at the core it is still a Tarot system, which is not fully rooted in
Paganism, Wicca or Witchcraft. By contrast, what we have created
is a system rooted in the beliefs and practices of both ancient and
modern Pagans, Wiccans, and Witches.
Another unique aspect of the Well Worn
Path is its ritual and magical use. One of the features of the
deck, outside of divination, is that it allows a person to perform
rituals and spells while even just sitting on his or her bed. It
requires nothing else other than the cards, some imagination &
visualization, and receptivity.
One of the things we wanted to accomplish with the
deck was to provide solitary practitioners with the means to work
rituals and spells even if they live in a conservative home, or have
conservative roommates. Anyone peeking in or passing by would only see a
person sitting and looking at cards. We like the idea of this
freedom.
The cards are also useful for people traveling who
are reluctant to take their physical ritual tools. The deck can go on
the plane with no hassle. We particularly like this aspect because we
travel a lot for appearances, and with the deck we easily can do a full
ritual in our hotel room if we want to (without any worries of being
interrupted). Someone even suggested that it was perfect for a
hospital!
CLARK: Wonderful! This sounds like a truly
unique deck, I did notice that instead of the traditional 78 cards in a
tarot deck you have 40 cards. Why made you decide to limit the deck
to 40?
R&S: That’s an interesting
story. The original concept for the deck was 80 cards.
Llewellyn had some concerns about the project because it is an unknown
and untested venture. This is because it’s not a Tarot deck, and
it’s not even a cultural divination system like the Gypsy deck, or
whatever.
Llewellyn asked if we would be willing to reduce the
cards to 40, which would make the deck less expensive and more
attractive to the chain stores (as well as the general consumer).
Llewellyn felt that this approach would contribute to the success of the
deck. So, we agreed, and reduced the count to 40
cards.
CLARK: Which leads me to my next question.
On the Well Worn Path website I noticed
that the cards are referred to as forty foundational concepts. What does
that mean and where do these concepts come from?
R&S: The foundational concepts of
Paganism, Wicca and Witchcraft are core and rooted aspects we find in
the beliefs and practices of our pre-Christian European ancestors.
These are the “ways” our ancestors related and “communicated” with the
world they lived in. They represent the basic concepts carried into
modern times for a new generation. In essence the deck is about ancient
ways in modern days. In order to preserve the rooted teachings, we
present such ancient elements as the cauldron, the hearth, and the
broom.
CLARK: You mention the hearth, this is one
of my favorite images. The artwork is amazing. How did you
find your artist Mickie Mueller?
R&S: Mickie had provided us with
some of her work for Raven’s Call magazine. So we knew of her
awhile back. Originally we had a different artist for the project,
and the deck was going to be black pen & ink on parchment tone paper
cards. Prior to contracting the project with Llewellyn, this
artist felt that the process was taking too long and she notified us
that she could no longer make the project a priority for her time.
This notification came a few days before Llewellyn’s set date for a
decision regarding whether to contract the project or not.
As the Fates would have it, a chance phone call from
a mutual friend resulted in renewed contact with Mickie Mueller, and we
approached her about being our artist. Mickie was happy to get
involved, and readily agreed to a personal contract. We were then
able to tell Llewellyn we had a committed artist.
CLARK: It is amazing how these kinds of
things work out. It must have been a big help having an artist who
also follows an earth-based spiritual path. These images hold a lot
of spiritual symbolism, how were the images for the deck created?
Was there a particular process?
R&S: We would sit and talk about a
specific card concept, and then discuss how to bring symbolism into the
image that would convey a teaching. When we had a good idea about
how the card would look, we called Mickie and described what we
wanted. Sometimes we would send a sketch, but most of the time
this was done through a phone conversation.
Mickie was amazing, and she brought to life each idea
we had. She would send us a sketch after each discussion, and we
would make changes here and there. However most of the time she
perfectly captured what we described. Mickie also added little
bits in the background imagery as a personal touch.
Once the sketch was accepted, we talked with Mickie
about colors. The entire development was amazing because we were
all on the same page throughout the whole process. We made
it a ritual every time we opened an attachment with the finished
image. It was very exciting! We feel that the three of us
have created something very special and unique here. We also
thought it would be fun to have cards in the deck that represented us,
as you will see!
CLARK: I’ve already taken a peek at the
images and I had to smile when I came across the card of initiation and
saw your two portrayed in the card. Is there a story there?
R&S: Yes. The three of us decided
that each of us would be portrayed in a card of our choice. Then
we decided that our children would also be in the deck. So, Mickie
selected the “mother” card and she is under the tree with her young
son. Then it was our turn and we decided that the “initiation”
card would suit us as we are the initiators of this experience with the
deck.
CLARK: Ok, I’m going to put you on the
spot. Raven, which card is your favorite and why?
RAVEN: The Crossroads card really speaks
to me. But I’m not sure I’d say I have favorite, but several do
seem to stand out. I like the Ancestral card, Green Man, and the
cards depicting the Book of Shadows a lot too.
CLARK: Stephanie, which card is your
favorite and why?
STEPHANIE: I am not sure I really have a
card that I could call my favorite. The images are all so unique and
beautiful to single out one is really difficult. I will give you a
couple- The Greenman, I think is so awesome because you see him as
a the spirit of nature being, a part of the process himself.
The Pentagram with it’s flowing elements on the full moon is also very
striking and evokes kind of a “as above so below” idea. Oh-
shucks… I love them all!
CLARK: Raven, you’ve written over 11 books
by yourself, and this is the first time you’ve worked with a
co-writer. What was that experience like for you?
RAVEN: It was challenging in the sense that I
had to allow the process to “unfold” rather than try and “get it done”
as usual. I found that I had to resist making things move quickly
by just doing it myself since I was so used to the writing
process. Overall the experience was a good learning experience for
me, and was very rewarding. I think that having a partner brought
a nice balance, and the project turned out greater than the sum of its
parts.
CLARK: Okay, Stephanie, now it’s your
turn. What was it like working with Raven on this project?
STEPHANIE: Well….it had it’s challenging
moments. [laughs] But we shared the vision of this creation and never
lost sight of the project. The experience is very memorable and to
see it come to life is just awesome! Really the merging of the
duality we brought to the concepts was really neat to see
unfold.
CLARK: The companion book shows that this
deck can be used for more than just readings. Would you elaborate on how
else the cards can be used?
R&S: The deck is designed to help
people obtain altered states of consciousness through meditation and
alignment. The cards can be used as keys to mystical realms.
As mentioned earlier, in the companion book we have presented a
dedication ritual and a full moon ritual, along with a prosperity
alignment through the Green Man.
In effect, the cards allow people to use ritual tools
such as the pentacle, wand, athame, and chalice through imagery.
The Well Worn Path makes it easy to tap into the collective
consciousness of the ancestral memory, which is where magic and ritual
can be drawn into ones solitary practice.
CLARK: Ok, this question is for both of
you. Now that the deck has been produced, is there anything you
would like to change about it?
R&S: No, not really. We’re very
happy with the results, and we don’t feel like anything is missing or
needs to added or corrected.
CLARK: As I mentioned earlier I did some
research by visiting your Well Worn Path website. One of the pages
lists many dates for a tour you two are doing this Fall of 2005.
What kind of things are you going to be doing at these lectures and
workshops?
R&S: We’re going to be teaching people how
to get the best use of the deck for divination, magic, and ritual.
We want to explore the deeper levels of symbolism within the cards and
take people on a guided imagery journey, which will connect people with
oracle
power.
The ultimate goal of the workshops is to empower people with easily used
tools and techniques to explore and enhance their religious and
spiritual journey. We will also be doing readings with the
deck.
CLARK: I wish both Raven and Stephanie much
success on their journey. The Well Worn Path divination kit was
originally scheduled to be released in September, but while visiting
Stephanie’s on-line shop I saw that they are shipping right now.
Mine is on the way! If you want more information on the deck I
recommend you visit their website at http://www.wellwornpath.com/ |